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15mm Prussian Reserve and Landwehr Infantry Flags - 4 months ago, 434 views
Being a cheapskate and having trawled Warflag and Wikipedia for ideas I am now on the look out for flags to print out for my 15mm scale Prussian Landwehr and Reserve Infantry. I don't mind buying flags but to be honest they all seem to be copies of flags either on Warflag or out of the Osprey's. So if anyone has information about a flag file or one they can share/send men it would be appreciated. I dont mind larger scale flags if I can rescale them and then print them out. Drew
Paddy Griffith Passes Away, RIP - 2 months ago, 133 views
just picked this up off tmp, from pinkpanzer of wargames developments: it is with great sadness that i must report the death yesterday of eminent british wargamer, historian and author dr. paddy griffith. paddy suffered a heart attack while recuperating at his manchester home from a recent operation. i will leave it to others to catalogue paddy's many works and achievements. to me, he was a founder of wargame developments, a provocative author and game designer, and most of all, a generous friend. he will be greatly missed, not least at the forthcoming conference of wargamers where he was to have presented the plenary game. i'm sure all our thoughts are with his wife, genevieve, at this difficult time. see also - http://megablitzandmore.blogspot.com/ please pass the word to those you think might need to know. warmest regards, /// bill /// wilbur e gray colonel, us army (ret) aoe, pss, hmgs wfg+http://ageofeagles.grouply.com "the society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." thucydides [non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Blenheim Cold Wars 2010 Photos - 5 months ago, 127 views
Some suck, some are great, but all are available for view via the following Skydrive folder at the following URL.http://cid-005f7aa755302998.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Blenheim%20Cold%20Wars%2010Click on a thumb nail for a larger image, click again for the full high res photo. Warmest regards, /// BILL /// Wilbur E Gray Colonel, US Army (Ret) AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+ http://ageofeagles.grouply.com "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
new scenario book cover - over a year ago, 123 views
now on the yahoo group home page. regards, bill gray
AOH at Historicon - Blenheim - 07/09/10 04:00 PM - 4 months ago, 119 views
Fri, 7/9/10, 4:00 pm - 9:00 pm - F-307 - Blenheim Redux, 1704 Fri. 4 PM, 5 hrs, 8 players GM: Bill Gray Sponsor: Age of Eagles Age of Reason 15mm, Rules: Age of Honor (Lace Wars Fire & Fury) Lord Marlborough and Marshal Tallard are at it again with one of the most famous battles from the Wars of Lace. Join the fun as 120,000 troops in some of the spiffiest uniforms this side of a Napoleonic dress ball square off to celebrate the official publication of Age of Honor (Lace Wars Fire & Fury). See http://ageofeagles.grouply.com. Rules taught; beginner friendly. Warmest regards, /// BILL /// Wilbur E Gray Colonel, US Army (Ret) AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+ http://ageofeagles.grouply.com "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides === Posted through Grouply Create your own group! www.grouply.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: Russian artillery bashing - over a year ago, 72 comments
there seems to be an assumption among napoleonic wargamers that if its russian, it must be rubbish. in the past, at various times, we have thoroughly bashed russian grenadiers, jagers, and, of course, artillery. it seems that if an army marched with so many guns, and didn't obliterate the enemy with them on a regular basis, then the guns, or gunners must have been in some way inferior to those of other nations. the debate about battery size has again brought this to the fore, and although the large russian batteries receive one more fire point than their french counterparts, this does little to make up for the fact that the french batteries represent either two thirds or one half the strength of russian batteries. there have been several interesting debates on other napoleonic sites recently, where a well-know artillery "expert" has explained how the french had better equipment, more highly trained gunners, longer range artillery pieces, better doctrine, oh, and the old favourite....better gunpowder than their somewhat backward russian foes. when challenged by some seemingly better informed enthusiasts, including several russians with access to first hand accounts, it seems that this view is based on some rather flimsy evidence, and our "expert" struggled to come up with anything to back up his own point of view. it is possible that french artillery may have been handled with more flair on the battlefield, but this should not translate into a fire factor increase. unfortunately myths like this that have gained widespread acceptance amongst wargamers are very hard to exorcise. best regards mark
1809 Campaign - 11 months ago, 71 comments
Sorry, if this is an old chestnut, but.... We are about to embark on a couple of re-fights from the 1809 campaign, Aspern-Essling and Wagram, based loosely on the historical orders of battle. Having played two taster games, it seems that the Austrians are in for a fearful kicking on the basis of columnar firing versus impulse. Has anybody got any ideas/suggestions/advice? Rick Rogers
Re: gunpowder quality and the other, unimportant stuff.............. - 10 months ago, 62 comments
Because I have a large Russian army, I certainly am interested in what that army can and can't do during a game of AOE. It is human nature and certainly the nature of any gamer to work at sussing out any and all advantages within the game rules, however small. And that does, at times, include questioning the rules in that pursuit. However, that really isn't the question, even if it is the motivation behind the question. I wouldn't say that the quality of the gunpowder is unimportant, but rather it is only one of many important factors, which are in the end, difficult to separate out, let alone determine their individual weights in the equation. For instance, Jomini, the chief of staff to Marshal Ney during the battle of Bautzen 1813 says this in his work on tactics: "The fine movment of Ney on Preititz at Bautzen was neutralized by a few pieces of Kliest's artillery, which took his columns in flank, checked them, and decided the marshal to deviate fron the excellent direction he was pursuing. A few pieces of light artillery, thrown at all hazards upon the enemy's flank, may produce most important results." That battery was Russian. It was the 3rd Light Artillery Company, 11th Artillery Brigade. I.T. Radozhitskii, an officer in the battery described the action: "General Blucher, seeing our right flank in danger and wishing to draw the enemy forces from Barclay de Tolly, ordered our artillery company to take a position to the left of the village of Pretitz, facing an enemy battery standing to the right of [the village of] Gleina. There were, between the heights of Kreckwitz and Preititz, only one Prussian cavalry brigade and two howitzers of horse artillery. Podpolkovnk [Lt. Colonel] Timofeyev, who was in command of our company, ordered me to choose a position for our battery.... [Note a Lt. Colonel was commanding the battery, not a captain, and it is a twelve gun battery] "I managed to find an advantageous position to place our company. I led it and placed it at a small rise with a marshy valley in front of it, that protected us from enemy cavalry attack. There was a wood to the left of the valley and the village of Malschwitz was behind it. Just as our twleve pieces took the position, a casisson in the enemy battery exploded from our second shot. In a few minutes, we silenced eight French guns and forced theme to draw back with our successful fire. Then our artillerists shouted "ura!", and I moved with four pieces from the left flank of our battery down from the rise to the wood. Our jagers also ran there. General Blucker, having seen the successful actions of our battery, sent his ADC to our Podpolkovnik with acknowledgements. Encouraged by such attention from the forieng general, we started to fire obliquely at enemy columns assaulting Barclay de Tolly's position. Then Marshal Ney, worried by the movements and actions of our battery, and fearing that our troops, after taking of the wood, would be able to reach the village of Malschwitz and outflank him, sent his infantry there. They rushed into the woods at a run, dodging an dfalling from our shot and shell; also, he sent cavalry against us, but the marshy valley prevented them from attacking out battery. Then, he placed a strong battery, and hot cannoade started again. These actions of our company substantially assisted Barclay de Tolly, because Marshal Ney sent a large part of his infantry to occupy the village of Malschwitz and the woods near it. The French battery pelted us with cannonballs, but they did little damage, because I had placed our peices behind the hillock that covered them up to half of their height, and so they did not present a large target, excluding my four pieces that had moved forward. During the whole affair, we lost six men killed or mortally wounded." Now, this may be an exceptional performance and out of the ordinary for Russian artillery or it may not. The question is: can anyone tell how did poor gun powder affected the performance of the Russian artillery? How did superior French powder help? Note too, that throughout the engagement, the Russians followed Kutaisov's tactical dictums from his "General Rules for Artillery in a Field Battle". Best Regards, Bill H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: WATERLOO Scenario for Age of Eagles (was Montereau 1814) - 12 months ago, 61 comments
Sun, 9/6/09 - VnB and GA both have official Waterloo scenarios: I have not read a single good thing about either. I am not being patronising, but AoE may well be judged by potential AoE converts on the feedback you get from gameplay on this scenario alone. Are there any particular scenario rules you are considering? For example, I would hate it to fall flat because of the scale issues. VnB has difficulties because the French can launch D'Erlon's I Corps from its initial deployments straight over the ridge into the Allied line in one move. GA has even more embarrassing difficulties because the unit base sizes are too large for the available space on the table. I know you are too much of a gentleman to engage in discussion about the shortcomings of other rule sets, but if a rule set cannot reasonably simulate the most famous battle of the period it looks pretty odd, to say the least. - Allan ----- Original Message ----- From: Wilbur Gray To: napoleonicfireandfury@... Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:23 PM Subject: RE: [NapoleonicFireandFury] Re: Montereau 1814 Scenario for Age of Eagles Yes. The next expansion module after Age of Honor will be Napoleon vs Britain and will include a Revolutionary battle with the Grand Ole Duke of York, Waterloo and a whole bunch of Peninsular engagements. And because Cold Wars 10 has a theme of Napoleon's Enemies 1810, I'll likely do Bussaco and release it as a freebie. Warmest regards, /// BILL /// Wilbur E Gray Colonel, US Army (Ret) AOE, PSS, HMGS WFG+ http://ageofeagles.com "The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me To: NapoleonicFireandFury@... From: spi03003@... Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:27:44 +0000 Subject: [NapoleonicFireandFury] Re: Montereau 1814 Scenario for Age of Eagles bill, great scenaro (as usual). Any chance of Peninsular British vs French scenarios ???? Mark --- In NapoleonicFireandFury@..., Jan Spoor <jan.spoor@...> wrote: > > A medium-sized battle--very welcome! > > many thanks, Bill! > > Jan > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Wilbur Gray<hmgs1@...> wrote: > > > > > > Just posted as a free download at http://ageofeagles.com/downloads.htm. It > > was to be a magazine article, but given the publisher tanked, I figured I'd > > just let everyone enjoy it. > > > > Drop me a line for either corrections or comments - I'm mellow :). > > > > Warmest regards, > > > > /// BILL /// > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Live rules query! - 10 months ago, 57 comments
http://www.victrixlimited.com/ im cutting up my credit card before i do something i will later regret!! :o) geoff
Re: batery size and fire power - over a year ago, 53 comments
what is mjr i find it very biased that 2 rank line is taken into account. claber of gun is taken into account in some cases ie 12lbs quality of gun is taken into account the british 9lb rate of fire is taken into account making light guns nearly as good as bigger guns at shorter ranges. but the 25% diference between the 6 and 8 gun batery is not. as the excepted rate of casulties is 1 man for every 1.5 shots from a canon reduceing this 25% makes a large diference. the frontage of a battery increases by the number of guns in it. so the size of the battery is taken into account but not the number of effect of the extra guns when firing. sk get extra rang as do rifles. so why dont we calculate the extra guns i recomend that gun factors are calculated on a 2 gun section and mutipled accordingly. i would be very intrested in what you think about this. ie french line foot battery (8 gun battery) 12 / 4 if it is an = 3 so each gun section is worth 3 so a 6 gun battery would score 9. or if it is considered to be a 6 gun batery the anwer would be 12 / 3 = 4 so an 8 gun batery would be worth 16 (4 x 4) i feel that every other possilbe advantage and disadvantage has been looked at in other areas and this need adressing coments please
French Ligt Infantry Battalions - 5 months ago, 50 comments
I know that there is a lot of knowledge in this group, and I was wondering if you could help me with a question in regards to the French Light Infantry battalions. I have read that they were effectively used in the same way as the Line Battalions, and I was wondering if this was the case - were they all trained as Light Infantry?, did the whole battalion ever act as skirmsihers?, or was this something that varied over the years? Your thoughts and comments would be welcome. Regards, Andrew
Charge - 2 months ago, 45 comments
Page 33 This route is a straight line traced from the centre of the charging brigade to the closest point of the defending brigade. Figure 15 page 34 Unit A did not go for the closest point which is the left flank It did not make contact Unit B can be within 1" Unit C will hit friendly troops if tries to make contact Can I have your interpretation pls other possibility. If the closest point of the enemy is already in contact with charging friendly troops can the unit charge the nearest closest point of the same defender. If a unit abouts face and retires does it take all fire as in enfilade apart from the 1DRM movement mode David
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 hi, i was wondering if anyone can help me with a problem i encountered today whilst umpiring the dresden scenario for my club. basically, a brigade of austrian grenadiers became disordered as a result of combat in a position between two limbered french horse batteries, one on each flank of them and were unable to rally it off next turn, at which point the two french horse batteries unlimbered on either flank, with the intention of firing enfilade cannister into them in a deadly crossfire. however, this also placed both batteries within the cannister 4 inch arc of each other. the questions posed were 1. could they fire cannister as they both fell with each others arc? 2. if they could would they have taken potential losses if they did fire on the grenadiers whilst in arc of each other? i saw nothing specific in the rules for this situation, so adjudged that they should fire ball only on the 8 inch range band factors and that if more than 1 casualty was caused then there was a potential for them to take casualties based on the artillery into supporting lines rule, though this wasn't a by all means popular ruling with the french artillery owner. can i ask the group if anyone has come across similar situations and if so what they have done to resolve it, or if col bill can give any guidance that would be very much appreciated. the end result after all the arguments/discussions, was a poor french die role that resulted in just a disorder, which did not affect their current status and the grenadiers managed to recover and escape in the next turn. thanks for anyone help regards bob
i think these might be part of an upcoming aar on historicon, but regardless duncan has provided them for my use and since he is way better with his slr at photography than i am with my little digital . . . for those on facebook, please stop by and become a fan and check the album at:http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=15656&id=115659321809168&ref=mf for those folks not on facebook, i do have a public folder on my skydrive at:http://cid-005f7aa755302998.photos.live.com/browse.aspx/wargames%20illustrated%20aoh%20blenheim if you've ever wondered what an aoh game looks like, here's your chance for a good, professional peek. warmest regards, /// bill /// wilbur e gray colonel, us army (ret) aoe, pss, hmgs wfg+http://ageofeagles.grouply.com "the society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." thucydides [non-text portions of this message have been removed]
has anyone created a scenario for wagram 1809 who would be willing to share their labels? thanks [non-text portions of this message have been removed]
hello frank:depends on the building - thatch was still quite popular in central/eastern europe, which would weather to a kind of light greyagain, depending on the building - the further east you go and the more humble the building, the more likely it would be unpainted wood - which, again, weathers to a kind of grey pretty quicklyin towns in austrian governed areas (like bohemia) wood buildings in towns were, as i recall, outlawed by maria theresa so the buildings would be rock and stucco over rock, sometimes with tile roofs, sometimes with wood eves and wood roofs - i believe that stucco and brick buildings were very common in towns in germany for spain, while i am no expert, i would guess stucco/abodedoors would be wood, again how well painted would depend on local/type of buildingbest wishesmichael rieder----- original message -----from: frank day <elcidmaximus8@...>date: sunday, september 5, 2010 10:19 pmsubject: [napoleonicfireandfury] painting buildingsto: napoleonicfireandfury@... > > hi guys,> i am painting some 15mm scale buildings for the battlefield ( spanish, french & > central european). i need some help with painting them.> 1/ what colour should the roofs be. (what were the roofs made of?)> 2/ what colour should the buildings be (farm houses . town buildings, etc)> 3/ what colour should the doors be ( were they painted ?)> 4/ details for la haye sainte ( i.e. roof , building colours etc) > > any help much appreciated.> regards> frank > > [non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > <!-- #ygrp-mkp { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; font-family: arial; margin: 10px 0; padding: 0 10px; } #ygrp-mkp hr { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; } #ygrp-mkp #hd { color: #628c2a; font-size: 85%; font-weight: 700; line-height: 122%; margin: 10px 0; } #ygrp-mkp #ads { margin-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-mkp .ad { padding: 0 0; } #ygrp-mkp .ad p { margin: 0; } #ygrp-mkp .ad a { color: #0000ff; text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc { font-family: arial; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd { margin: 10px 0px; font-weight: 700; font-size: 78%; line-height: 122%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad { margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 0 0; } a { color: #1e66ae; } #actions { font-family: verdana; font-size: 11px; padding: 10px 0; } #activity { background-color: #e0ecee; float: left; font-family: verdana; font-size: 10px; padding: 10px; } #activity span { font-weight: 700; } #activity span:first-child { text-transform: uppercase; } #activity span a { color: #5085b6; text-decoration: none; } #activity span span { color: #ff7900; } #activity span .underline { text-decoration: underline; } .attach { clear: both; display: table; font-family: arial; font-size: 12px; padding: 10px 0; width: 400px; } .attach div a { text-decoration: none; } .attach img { border: none; padding-right: 5px; } .attach label { display: block; margin-bottom: 5px; } .attach label a { text-decoration: none; } blockquote { margin: 0 0 0 4px; } .bold { font-family: arial; font-size: 13px; font-weight: 700; } .bold a { text-decoration: none; } dd.last p a { font-family: verdana; font-weight: 700; } dd.last p span { margin-right: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: 700; } dd.last p span.yshortcuts { margin-right: 0; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { width: 400px; } div.file-title a, div.file-title a:active, div.file-title a:hover, div.file-title a:visited { text-decoration: none; } div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited { text-decoration: none; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } .green { color: #628c2a; } .msonormal { margin: 0 0 0 0; } o { font-size: 0; } #photos div { float: left; width: 72px; } #photos div div { border: 1px solid #666666; height: 62px; overflow: hidden; width: 62px; } #photos div label { color: #666666; font-size: 10px; overflow: hidden; text-align: center; white-space: nowrap; width: 64px; } #reco-category { font-size: 77%; } #reco-desc { font-size: 77%; } .replbq { margin: 4px; } #ygrp-actbar div a:first-child { /* border-right: 0px solid #000;*/ margin-right: 2px; padding-right: 5px; } #ygrp-mlmsg { font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica,clean, sans-serif; *font-size: small; *font: x-small; } #ygrp-mlmsg table { font-size: inherit; font: 100%; } #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea { font: 99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; } #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code { font:115% monospace; *font-size:100%; } #ygrp-mlmsg * { line-height: 1.22em; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo { padding-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1e66ae; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: verdana; } #ygrp-msg p#attach-count span { color: #1e66ae; font-weight: 700; } #ygrp-reco #reco-head { color: #ff7900; font-weight: 700; } #ygrp-reco { margin-bottom: 20px; padding: 0px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a { font-size: 130%; text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li { font-size: 77%; list-style-type: square; padding: 6px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 8px; } #ygrp-text { font-family: georgia; } #ygrp-text p { margin: 0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-text tt { font-size: 120%; } #ygrp-vital ul li:last-child { border-right: none !important; } --> [non-text portions of this message have been removed]------------------------------------also visit the new, official age of eagles website at http://ageofeagles.grouply.com!yahoo! groups links<*> to visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napoleonicfireandfury/<*> your email settings: individual email | traditional<*> to change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napoleonicfireandfury/join (yahoo! id required)<*> to change settings via email: napoleonicfireandfury-digest@... napoleonicfireandfury-fullfeatured@...<*> to unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: napoleonicfireandfury-unsubscribe@...<*> your use of yahoo! groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
franknot that this will help much, it really depends on what the modeller istrying to model. a traditional south european type dwelling would usuallyhave red terracota type round tiles, similar to nice picturesque photos ofold sienns, pisa etc. spain is the same, poorer householders would usewooden planks treated with some form of pitch if they could afford it.outsides generally white washed to keep down the heat and painted shuttersfor variety.france/germany become richer and have a slightly better building standard,using flat clay tiles, which might be red, or grey or even other coloursdepending on the clay used and the desired finish. proper slate roofing wasalso quite common. exterior finishes depended on nthe building finish buteven today in brandenburg and saxony the traditional houses and farms arefinished in a render and then painted to protect it if they could affordit. white finishes are common in southern france due to the heat but less soin germany. think pictures of traditional bavarian/austrian villiages forthe finished effects.timber framing is quite common and painting the timbers with pitch topreserve them and whitewashing or another colour for effect/statements ofwealth wasnt uncommon.do a quick google images and have a good look at the results will help youdecide, popping in the names of small towns of historical note for the warswill also help.there are a few historic etchings from the time which give an idea of theeffect but since there are not many early photo/litho graphs to look at it'sall really a bit of guess work.my painting skills for buildings is pretty poor so all this is theoriticalinformation rather than a practical application :-)drewon 6 september 2010 03:19, frank day <elcidmaximus8@...> wrote:>>> hi guys,> i am painting some 15mm scale buildings for the battlefield ( spanish,> french &> central european). i need some help with painting them.> 1/ what colour should the roofs be. (what were the roofs made of?)> 2/ what colour should the buildings be (farm houses . town buildings, etc)> 3/ what colour should the doors be ( were they painted ?)> 4/ details for la haye sainte ( i.e. roof , building colours etc)>> any help much appreciated.> regards> frank>> [non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> >[non-text portions of this message have been removed]------------------------------------also visit the new, official age of eagles website at http://ageofeagles.grouply.com!yahoo! groups links<*> to visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napoleonicfireandfury/<*> your email settings: individual email | traditional<*> to change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napoleonicfireandfury/join (yahoo! id required)<*> to change settings via email: napoleonicfireandfury-digest@... napoleonicfireandfury-fullfeatured@...<*> to unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: napoleonicfireandfury-unsubscribe@...<*> your use of yahoo! groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
hi, i was wondering if anyone can help me with a problem i encountered today whilst umpiring the dresden scenario for my club. basically, a brigade of austrian grenadiers became disordered as a result of combat in a position between two limbered french horse batteries, one on each flank of them and were unable to rally it off next turn, at which point the two french horse batteries unlimbered on either flank, with the intention of firing enfilade cannister into them in a deadly crossfire. however, this also placed both batteries within the cannister 4 inch arc of each other. the questions posed were 1. could they fire cannister as they both fell with each others arc? 2. if they could would they have taken potential losses if they did fire on the grenadiers whilst in arc of each other? i saw nothing specific in the rules for this situation, so adjudged that they should fire ball only on the 8 inch range band factors and that if more than 1 casualty was caused then there was a potential for them to take casualties based on the artillery into supporting lines rule, though this wasn't a by all means popular ruling with the french artillery owner. can i ask the group if anyone has come across similar situations and if so what they have done to resolve it, or if col bill can give any guidance that would be very much appreciated. the end result after all the arguments/discussions, was a poor french die role that resulted in just a disorder, which did not affect their current status and the grenadiers managed to recover and escape in the next turn. thanks for anyone help regards bob
i think these might be part of an upcoming aar on historicon, but regardless duncan has provided them for my use and since he is way better with his slr at photography than i am with my little digital . . . for those on facebook, please stop by and become a fan and check the album at:http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=15656&id=115659321809168&ref=mf for those folks not on facebook, i do have a public folder on my skydrive at:http://cid-005f7aa755302998.photos.live.com/browse.aspx/wargames%20illustrated%20aoh%20blenheim if you've ever wondered what an aoh game looks like, here's your chance for a good, professional peek. warmest regards, /// bill /// wilbur e gray colonel, us army (ret) aoe, pss, hmgs wfg+http://ageofeagles.grouply.com "the society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." thucydides [non-text portions of this message have been removed]
has anyone created a scenario for wagram 1809 who would be willing to share their labels? thanks [non-text portions of this message have been removed]
hello frank:depends on the building - thatch was still quite popular in central/eastern europe, which would weather to a kind of light greyagain, depending on the building - the further east you go and the more humble the building, the more likely it would be unpainted wood - which, again, weathers to a kind of grey pretty quicklyin towns in austrian governed areas (like bohemia) wood buildings in towns were, as i recall, outlawed by maria theresa so the buildings would be rock and stucco over rock, sometimes with tile roofs, sometimes with wood eves and wood roofs - i believe that stucco and brick buildings were very common in towns in germany for spain, while i am no expert, i would guess stucco/abodedoors would be wood, again how well painted would depend on local/type of buildingbest wishesmichael rieder----- original message -----from: frank day <elcidmaximus8@...>date: sunday, september 5, 2010 10:19 pmsubject: [napoleonicfireandfury] painting buildingsto: napoleonicfireandfury@... > > hi guys,> i am painting some 15mm scale buildings for the battlefield ( spanish, french & > central european). i need some help with painting them.> 1/ what colour should the roofs be. (what were the roofs made of?)> 2/ what colour should the buildings be (farm houses . town buildings, etc)> 3/ what colour should the doors be ( were they painted ?)> 4/ details for la haye sainte ( i.e. roof , building colours etc) > > any help much appreciated.> regards> frank > > [non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > <!-- #ygrp-mkp { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; font-family: arial; margin: 10px 0; padding: 0 10px; } #ygrp-mkp hr { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; } #ygrp-mkp #hd { color: #628c2a; font-size: 85%; font-weight: 700; line-height: 122%; margin: 10px 0; } #ygrp-mkp #ads { margin-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-mkp .ad { padding: 0 0; } #ygrp-mkp .ad p { margin: 0; } #ygrp-mkp .ad a { color: #0000ff; text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc { font-family: arial; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd { margin: 10px 0px; font-weight: 700; font-size: 78%; line-height: 122%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad { margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 0 0; } a { color: #1e66ae; } #actions { font-family: verdana; font-size: 11px; padding: 10px 0; } #activity { background-color: #e0ecee; float: left; font-family: verdana; font-size: 10px; padding: 10px; } #activity span { font-weight: 700; } #activity span:first-child { text-transform: uppercase; } #activity span a { color: #5085b6; text-decoration: none; } #activity span span { color: #ff7900; } #activity span .underline { text-decoration: underline; } .attach { clear: both; display: table; font-family: arial; font-size: 12px; padding: 10px 0; width: 400px; } .attach div a { text-decoration: none; } .attach img { border: none; padding-right: 5px; } .attach label { display: block; margin-bottom: 5px; } .attach label a { text-decoration: none; } blockquote { margin: 0 0 0 4px; } .bold { font-family: arial; font-size: 13px; font-weight: 700; } .bold a { text-decoration: none; } dd.last p a { font-family: verdana; font-weight: 700; } dd.last p span { margin-right: 10px; font-family: verdana; font-weight: 700; } dd.last p span.yshortcuts { margin-right: 0; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { width: 400px; } div.file-title a, div.file-title a:active, div.file-title a:hover, div.file-title a:visited { text-decoration: none; } div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited { text-decoration: none; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } .green { color: #628c2a; } .msonormal { margin: 0 0 0 0; } o { font-size: 0; } #photos div { float: left; width: 72px; } #photos div div { border: 1px solid #666666; height: 62px; overflow: hidden; width: 62px; } #photos div label { color: #666666; font-size: 10px; overflow: hidden; text-align: center; white-space: nowrap; width: 64px; } #reco-category { font-size: 77%; } #reco-desc { font-size: 77%; } .replbq { margin: 4px; } #ygrp-actbar div a:first-child { /* border-right: 0px solid #000;*/ margin-right: 2px; padding-right: 5px; } #ygrp-mlmsg { font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica,clean, sans-serif; *font-size: small; *font: x-small; } #ygrp-mlmsg table { font-size: inherit; font: 100%; } #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea { font: 99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; } #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code { font:115% monospace; *font-size:100%; } #ygrp-mlmsg * { line-height: 1.22em; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo { padding-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-mlmsg a { color: #1e66ae; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: verdana; } #ygrp-msg p#attach-count span { color: #1e66ae; font-weight: 700; } #ygrp-reco #reco-head { color: #ff7900; font-weight: 700; } #ygrp-reco { margin-bottom: 20px; padding: 0px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a { font-size: 130%; text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li { font-size: 77%; list-style-type: square; padding: 6px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 8px; } #ygrp-text { font-family: georgia; } #ygrp-text p { margin: 0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-text tt { font-size: 120%; } #ygrp-vital ul li:last-child { border-right: none !important; } --> [non-text portions of this message have been removed]------------------------------------also visit the new, official age of eagles website at http://ageofeagles.grouply.com!yahoo! groups links<*> to visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napoleonicfireandfury/<*> your email settings: individual email | traditional<*> to change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napoleonicfireandfury/join (yahoo! id required)<*> to change settings via email: napoleonicfireandfury-digest@... napoleonicfireandfury-fullfeatured@...<*> to unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: napoleonicfireandfury-unsubscribe@...<*> your use of yahoo! groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
franknot that this will help much, it really depends on what the modeller istrying to model. a traditional south european type dwelling would usuallyhave red terracota type round tiles, similar to nice picturesque photos ofold sienns, pisa etc. spain is the same, poorer householders would usewooden planks treated with some form of pitch if they could afford it.outsides generally white washed to keep down the heat and painted shuttersfor variety.france/germany become richer and have a slightly better building standard,using flat clay tiles, which might be red, or grey or even other coloursdepending on the clay used and the desired finish. proper slate roofing wasalso quite common. exterior finishes depended on nthe building finish buteven today in brandenburg and saxony the traditional houses and farms arefinished in a render and then painted to protect it if they could affordit. white finishes are common in southern france due to the heat but less soin germany. think pictures of traditional bavarian/austrian villiages forthe finished effects.timber framing is quite common and painting the timbers with pitch topreserve them and whitewashing or another colour for effect/statements ofwealth wasnt uncommon.do a quick google images and have a good look at the results will help youdecide, popping in the names of small towns of historical note for the warswill also help.there are a few historic etchings from the time which give an idea of theeffect but since there are not many early photo/litho graphs to look at it'sall really a bit of guess work.my painting skills for buildings is pretty poor so all this is theoriticalinformation rather than a practical application :-)drewon 6 september 2010 03:19, frank day <elcidmaximus8@...> wrote:>>> hi guys,> i am painting some 15mm scale buildings for the battlefield ( spanish,> french &> central european). i need some help with painting them.> 1/ what colour should the roofs be. (what were the roofs made of?)> 2/ what colour should the buildings be (farm houses . town buildings, etc)> 3/ what colour should the doors be ( were they painted ?)> 4/ details for la haye sainte ( i.e. roof , building colours etc)>> any help much appreciated.> regards> frank>> [non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> >[non-text portions of this message have been removed]------------------------------------also visit the new, official age of eagles website at http://ageofeagles.grouply.com!yahoo! groups links<*> to visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napoleonicfireandfury/<*> your email settings: individual email | traditional<*> to change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/napoleonicfireandfury/join (yahoo! id required)<*> to change settings via email: napoleonicfireandfury-digest@... napoleonicfireandfury-fullfeatured@...<*> to unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: napoleonicfireandfury-unsubscribe@...<*> your use of yahoo! groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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